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Proton CEO warns global age verification push will mean "the death of anonymity online"

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      cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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      The death of anonymity for most people, yes. Not me though. I'm going to make my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers. And protonmail too, probably.

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        yuriro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        That's it! I'm doing an 8 ball on some hooker's ass while listening nine inch nails

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          maiq@piefed.social
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          This is the obvious end goal. Never had anything to do with children.

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          • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

            The death of anonymity for most people, yes. Not me though. I'm going to make my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers. And protonmail too, probably.

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            voidsignal@lemmy.world
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            yea. I already have my own internet with blackjack and hookers and don't rely much on anything else. I'll be fine. But the vast majority of people will willingly rush into 1984 instead of throwing their shit devices away.

            Oh that sweet scrolling rush....

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              hopesdead@startrek.website
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              Isn’t this the company that shutdown someone’s email on behalf of a large organization?

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                The age verification is really just an alternate means for these companies to try to find out which of us are real people or not with the intent to scrape AI training materials more "cleanly". But it's all moot in the long run, as it turns out that it will be easy for anyone who wants to break the law to pretend to be someone they aren't.

                In a world where identity theft is more rampant than ever, you'd have to be some kind of numbskull to think that this will be effective at doing any of the intended affects. It's literally a complete waste of time & money.

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                • hopesdead@startrek.websiteH hopesdead@startrek.website

                  Isn’t this the company that shutdown someone’s email on behalf of a large organization?

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                  nkat2112@sh.itjust.works
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                  It wasn't Proton that shut down the email of the genocide prosecutor. It was Microsoft:

                  Microsoft, for example, cancelled Khan’s email address, forcing the prosecutor to move to Proton Mail, a Swiss email provider, ICC staffers said. His bank accounts in his home country of the U.K. have been blocked.

                  Taken from:

                  https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3

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                  • hopesdead@startrek.websiteH hopesdead@startrek.website

                    Isn’t this the company that shutdown someone’s email on behalf of a large organization?

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                    xle@piefed.social
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                    The guy in the picture also endorsed the political party most associated with age verification laws.

                    But this is Lemmy, where we don't criticize Proton!

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                    • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

                      The age verification is really just an alternate means for these companies to try to find out which of us are real people or not with the intent to scrape AI training materials more "cleanly". But it's all moot in the long run, as it turns out that it will be easy for anyone who wants to break the law to pretend to be someone they aren't.

                      In a world where identity theft is more rampant than ever, you'd have to be some kind of numbskull to think that this will be effective at doing any of the intended affects. It's literally a complete waste of time & money.

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                      witchfire@lemmy.world
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                      Unfortunately it seems like 90% of the population has to learn lessons by experience, constantly and repeatedly, rather than listen to the other 10%

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                      • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

                        The death of anonymity for most people, yes. Not me though. I'm going to make my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers. And protonmail too, probably.

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                        tiral@lemmy.world
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                        How would one HYPOTHETICALLY get in on this at the ground floor?

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                        • T tiral@lemmy.world

                          How would one HYPOTHETICALLY get in on this at the ground floor?

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                          crank0271@lemmy.world
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                          Well, are you a blackjack dealer or a hooker?

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                          • nkat2112@sh.itjust.worksN nkat2112@sh.itjust.works

                            It wasn't Proton that shut down the email of the genocide prosecutor. It was Microsoft:

                            Microsoft, for example, cancelled Khan’s email address, forcing the prosecutor to move to Proton Mail, a Swiss email provider, ICC staffers said. His bank accounts in his home country of the U.K. have been blocked.

                            Taken from:

                            https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3

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                            xle@piefed.social
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                            Are you positive they aren't talking about something else? Because Proton complies with 89% of the thousands of censorship/data requests they get every year.

                            https://freedom.press/digisec/blog/proton-mail-is-not-for-anonymity/

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                              Well, are you a blackjack dealer or a hooker?

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                              pancakescantkillme@lemmy.world
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                              For the right money, either!

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                              • C crank0271@lemmy.world

                                Well, are you a blackjack dealer or a hooker?

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                                tiral@lemmy.world
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                                I'm probably a better hooker. I feel like I'd just let you down as a blackjack dealer.

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                                  The guy in the picture also endorsed the political party most associated with age verification laws.

                                  But this is Lemmy, where we don't criticize Proton!

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                                  Well it was Mark Zuckerburg who's made the big push for it... You know, offload responsibility from his platform being addicting and all.. Plus, both sides are equally corrupt, so really it's time to move to something new. Forward, Green, Reform, Libertarian, etc.

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                                  • T tiral@lemmy.world

                                    I'm probably a better hooker. I feel like I'd just let you down as a blackjack dealer.

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                                    skaverat@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                    How about a regular dealer?

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                                    • T tiral@lemmy.world

                                      How would one HYPOTHETICALLY get in on this at the ground floor?

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                                      I mean, the fediverse that you're already on already kind of is the ground floor. Most of these places are not going to be affected by age verification.

                                      But if you want to climb a few floors up to where the blackjack and hookers are probably hanging out, there are things like I2P it's delightfully sketchy. the best kind of sketchy.

                                      It actively divests itself from any centralized shit like SSL or DNS, it's a raw HTTP only darknet that operates through its own peer-to-peer proxy network, totally anonymized and encrypted and segregated from any hint of open network traffic.

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                                        ragepaw@lemmy.ca
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                                        All they are going to do is drive a dark internet

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                                        • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

                                          The age verification is really just an alternate means for these companies to try to find out which of us are real people or not with the intent to scrape AI training materials more "cleanly". But it's all moot in the long run, as it turns out that it will be easy for anyone who wants to break the law to pretend to be someone they aren't.

                                          In a world where identity theft is more rampant than ever, you'd have to be some kind of numbskull to think that this will be effective at doing any of the intended affects. It's literally a complete waste of time & money.

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                                          swifferwetjet@thelemmy.club
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                                          I mean I'm absolutely going to be feeding it as much dogshit as possible, personally.

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