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  3. Proton CEO warns global age verification push will mean "the death of anonymity online"

Proton CEO warns global age verification push will mean "the death of anonymity online"

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  • L luminousluddite@lemmy.world
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    bedwyr@piefed.ca
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    No shit. Proton is a garbage company though, not to be trusted. But thanks for the assist.

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    • P pancakescantkillme@lemmy.world

      For the right money, either!

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      jomiran@lemmy.ml
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      • X xle@piefed.social

        Are you positive they aren't talking about something else? Because Proton complies with 89% of the thousands of censorship/data requests they get every year.

        https://freedom.press/digisec/blog/proton-mail-is-not-for-anonymity/

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        object@sh.itjust.works
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        I got rickrolled

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        • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

          The death of anonymity for most people, yes. Not me though. I'm going to make my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers. And protonmail too, probably.

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          brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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          #24

          Mesh net?

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          • R ragepaw@lemmy.ca

            All they are going to do is drive a dark internet

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            brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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            Heard the Great Firewall is effective these days

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            • X xle@piefed.social

              The guy in the picture also endorsed the political party most associated with age verification laws.

              But this is Lemmy, where we don't criticize Proton!

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              sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
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              Yeah at least they've backed away from that...

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              • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

                The death of anonymity for most people, yes. Not me though. I'm going to make my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers. And protonmail too, probably.

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                bedwyr@piefed.ca
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                Proton mail is garbage and they will betray you.

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                • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

                  I mean, the fediverse that you're already on already kind of is the ground floor. Most of these places are not going to be affected by age verification.

                  But if you want to climb a few floors up to where the blackjack and hookers are probably hanging out, there are things like I2P it's delightfully sketchy. the best kind of sketchy.

                  It actively divests itself from any centralized shit like SSL or DNS, it's a raw HTTP only darknet that operates through its own peer-to-peer proxy network, totally anonymized and encrypted and segregated from any hint of open network traffic.

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                  lost_my_mind@lemmy.world
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                  That makes no sense, when the age verification is being pushed to the OS and ISP levels.

                  Sure, you can connect to Lemmy, and not have to prove your identity to Lemmy, but Windows users will have to prove to microsoft, and also you'll have to prove it to Verizon, or Comcast, or whomever your ISP is.

                  So before you even turn on your computer, you've already proved your identity twice.

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                  • L lost_my_mind@lemmy.world

                    That makes no sense, when the age verification is being pushed to the OS and ISP levels.

                    Sure, you can connect to Lemmy, and not have to prove your identity to Lemmy, but Windows users will have to prove to microsoft, and also you'll have to prove it to Verizon, or Comcast, or whomever your ISP is.

                    So before you even turn on your computer, you've already proved your identity twice.

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                    monkemischief@lemmy.today
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                    Ugh. That's disgusting on a thousand levels. Even proposing such a bill should be considered a jailable violation of the constitution, as an example to the rest of the authoritarian bastards.

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                    • swifferwetjet@thelemmy.clubS swifferwetjet@thelemmy.club

                      I mean I'm absolutely going to be feeding it as much dogshit as possible, personally.

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                      roguetrick@lemmy.world
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                      Yeah but that's like my default interaction with the internet in the first place pre llm.

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                      • B bedwyr@piefed.ca

                        Proton mail is garbage and they will betray you.

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                        vitorobles@lemmy.today
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                        Not sure why you're being downvoted.

                        Proton CEO praised a Trump admin. I prefer my net neutrality folks to not ever kiss the ring of any government.

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                        • L luminousluddite@lemmy.world
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                          uranus_hz@lemmy.zip
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                          There is no longer any right to privacy. This is just the latest step.

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                          • B brbposting@sh.itjust.works

                            Mesh net?

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                            floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                            Over LoRa it's useful for basic off-grid messaging, but the bandwidth is extremely limited.

                            A meshnet over the internet would have more bandwidth. Various things have been tried. I2P is a kind of logical meshnet over the internet.

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                            • T tiral@lemmy.world

                              I'm probably a better hooker. I feel like I'd just let you down as a blackjack dealer.

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                              lost_my_mind@lemmy.world
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                              So, as far as sex goes, you WOULD give it up, and as a blackjack dealer you WOULD let me down....

                              Guys, I don't think this is Rick Astley.

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                              • L luminousluddite@lemmy.world
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                                punkrocksportsfan@fanaticus.social
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                                Isn’t that a second amendment issue?

                                Isn’t anonymity an arm to bear ?

                                Isn’t that why they want to stop it?

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                                • M monkemischief@lemmy.today

                                  Ugh. That's disgusting on a thousand levels. Even proposing such a bill should be considered a jailable violation of the constitution, as an example to the rest of the authoritarian bastards.

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                                  lost_my_mind@lemmy.world
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                                  I mean, I agree with you, but this isn't just a United States thing. China has had this since forever. They have something called a "social credit score".

                                  So if you litter, and cameras catch you littering, your social credit goes down. And you best believe they track and monitor every single online interaction.

                                  The UK the past year has been really slamming hard on online verification.

                                  This is a global thing that is seeping into the united states, but it's by no means the only point of contention.

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                                  • U unitedwithme@lemmy.today

                                    Well it was Mark Zuckerburg who's made the big push for it... You know, offload responsibility from his platform being addicting and all.. Plus, both sides are equally corrupt, so really it's time to move to something new. Forward, Green, Reform, Libertarian, etc.

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                                    floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                                    Reform isn't anything new. It's just old-fashioned bigoted fascism. Tory++.

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                                    • maiq@piefed.socialM maiq@piefed.social

                                      This is the obvious end goal. Never had anything to do with children.

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                                      fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
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                                      Children have no rights so they're the first to be targets.

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                                      • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

                                        The age verification is really just an alternate means for these companies to try to find out which of us are real people or not with the intent to scrape AI training materials more "cleanly". But it's all moot in the long run, as it turns out that it will be easy for anyone who wants to break the law to pretend to be someone they aren't.

                                        In a world where identity theft is more rampant than ever, you'd have to be some kind of numbskull to think that this will be effective at doing any of the intended affects. It's literally a complete waste of time & money.

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                                        fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
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                                        I'm in favor of identity theft being so rampant that identity documents become worthless

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                                          zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone
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                                          #40

                                          We should not platform idiots just because they state the obvious, when they promote bullshit out of the other side of their mouth.

                                          Edit: removed the link because news site is grabby. Look it up, nerds.

                                          Edit2: maybe this link is better idk https://techstory.in/proton-mail-faces-backlash-over-claims-of-political-neutrality-amid-ceos-praise-for-republican-party/

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