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Democrats Introduce Bill To More Than Triple The Minimum Wage

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  • P punnyname@lemmy.world

    That thing that's already gone up in the last 16+ years without the minimum wage doing up once?

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    architect@thelemmy.club
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    When you lose your job scrounging up .20 cents for bread is easier than $10 regardless of inflation.

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    • C cogman@lemmy.world

      It's a great move and these are bills that need to be introduced frequently by dems right now. When people say "Yeah, but what can they do". This. This is what they can do. Introducing these messaging bills for republicans to vote again and then grand standing on how republicans won't do anything to help the working class.

      But dems must follow through. Minimum wage is the prefect example of where they should follow through. Attach it to a budget bill and when the parliamentarian says "not allowed" tell them to F off and push it through anyways. Just as the republicans have already done several times since they took control. Or blow up the filibuster. Either is an acceptable act for when dems get power. But they must deliver.

      If dems operate like they did in Biden term 1 or Obama term 1, they'll be sunk in 2032.

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      architect@thelemmy.club
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      They could do something about pedotus any fucking day they want. Any day. Yet…

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      • 8 8oow3291d@feddit.dk

        these people still trying to pass fake bills?

        Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power, is not "fake bills". What do you want, for Democrats to not tell voters what they would pass, if given power?

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        calfpupa@lemmy.ml
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        #103

        Uhh that would require them to try this shit when in power, which they don't do.

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        • T tedesche@lemmy.world

          This is garbage. It appeals to a far left constituency while alienating the moderate left people who are just trying to make their small businesses work. There has got to be a compromise line between these two groups. This is not how you win elections.

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          architect@thelemmy.club
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          #104

          I’m far left with a small business.

          Yea this $25 an hour would ensure I’d remain a slave and the few jobs I can afford to offer (which are actually fun and in the arts) would all just be me until i keeled over and died paintbrush in hand.

          I don’t get fucking paid $25 an hour right now and I pay myself.

          Or i could close up shop and work at Walmart like everyone else. Then no one will have anyone or anything to ever see again in America that’s not a major public corp.

          The answer is to redistribute that wealth those corps stole from us.

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          • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ queermunist@lemmy.ml

            This is already a compromise. The far left answer to small business owners is to expropriate your capital and force you to get a job like everyone else.

            Besides that, workers outnumber business owners 170.7 million to 36.2 million. You're a really tiny voting bloc and most of you vote Republican in every election anyway, so who cares what you think?

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            architect@thelemmy.club
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            #105

            Enjoy your Walmarts on every corner.

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            • S sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz

              A livable wage is now considered a far left issue? Jesus christ things have gotten bad.

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              architect@thelemmy.club
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              #106

              Left is literally labor. Like, yea, raising minimum wage over triple is definitely a far left issue.

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              • F fistingenthusiast@lemmy.world

                That's a lot of words for "I'm selfish and don't understand how people on low incomes tend to spend more money proportionately, thereby stimulating small businesses"

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                architect@thelemmy.club
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                #107

                Ehhhhhhhhhhh in my experience low income does not support small business.

                Maybe they would change habits if they made more but it’s unlikely. Habits change more by necessity.

                In reality we’d all see healthcare become $5k a month and car insurance at $500.

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                  silentjohn@lemmy.ml
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                  And it's still too low for anybody to live off of.

                  https://livingwage.mit.edu/

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                  • E exlisper@lemmy.curiana.net

                    Now watch as they win midterms and this gets forgotten completely.

                    "We can't pass it. We don't have supermajority."

                    They get supermajority.

                    "We can't pass it. We don't have the presidency"

                    They win presidential elections.

                    "We can't just pass it. It has to be bipartisan or it's bad for democracy"

                    They lose midterms.

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                    w98bsod@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    • S sabin10@lemmy.world

                      If your small business fails because you can't pay you employees enough to live off of, that's a problem with your business model. The problem with small businesses is that the people starting them have no idea what they're doing.

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                      architect@thelemmy.club
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                      Enjoy your Walmarts on every corner.

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                      • S skeezix@lemmy.world

                        If your business model doesnt allow payment of a living wage then your business deserves to fail

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                        architect@thelemmy.club
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                        We should start with Walmart not small business.

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                        • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

                          the current DNC schumer and his cohorts are there to prevent any leftward shift in voting patterns, the gop are design to ratchet everything to the right.

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                          w98bsod@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          • E echo@lemmy.today

                            Yay! Public masturbation instead of actually fucking doing something. What happened to impeaching the shit stain that keeps desecrating the constitution?

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                            architect@thelemmy.club
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                            They secretly like that shit stain.

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                            • G givesomefucks@lemmy.world

                              What happened to impeaching the shit stain that keeps desecrating the constitution?

                              A basic understanding of arithmetic and calendars...

                              Who was saying wed impeach before midterms?

                              Trying to do that, wouldn't change anyone's mind.

                              Trying to do this, something most Americans want, forces Republicans and neoliberals to go against it, which hurts them in primaries/mid terms.

                              If you don't understand why people are doing something, just ask bro.

                              That's how we learn.

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                              architect@thelemmy.club
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                              How many decades of their bullshit until you realize you’re being played?

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                              • S serinus@lemmy.world

                                Maybe we should do universal healthcare too. That would help them.

                                I'm not one of those anarchists that thinks nobody needs to work, but I think universal healthcare, an actual living minimum wage, and a 32-36 hour work week are all achievable.

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                                coaxil@lemmy.zip
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                                I mean... Look at most other first world countries, you don't need to think, it's pretty reasonable shown it's a thing

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                                • A ambitiousprocess@piefed.social

                                  This is garbage.

                                  This is still less than some areas' true living wage in this country. Look up essentially any city here, and you'll find its living wage is often much higher than both the current minimum wage, the most frequently proposed $15 increase, and this new $25 increase.

                                  Minimum wages should be living wages, not the bare minimum to not starve unless you even temporarily lose your job and are now deemed ineligible to live.

                                  https://livingwage.mit.edu/

                                  It appeals to a far left constituency

                                  74% of Democrats (center-right), and 55% of voters overall (left, center, and right combined) support a minimum wage increase to $25/hour. This is not a fringe idea.

                                  https://www.onefairwage.org/research-reports/poll-testing-%2425-minimum-wage-in-competitive-congressional-districts

                                  while alienating the moderate left people who are just trying to make their small businesses work.

                                  When minimum wages rise, small businesses find it easier and cheaper to hire new employees, face less turnover, and are able to charge a high enough price to cover the newly increased cost without inflating prices faster than the minimum wage.

                                  Raising the minimum wage for everyone benefits individuals, small businesses, and the economy at large. It even reduces the high school dropout rate!

                                  https://news.berkeley.edu/2023/03/14/even-in-small-businesses-minimum-wage-hikes-dont-cause-job-losses-study-finds/

                                  This is not how you win elections.

                                  Pushing a broadly popular issue relating to affordability at a time when economic uncertainty is around the highest it's ever been is an incredibly good strategy to win elections.

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                                  w98bsod@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  You brought receipts. Thank you.

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                                  • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

                                    More theatre? I would hope not but fuck this timeline...

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                                    hubertmanne@piefed.social
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                                    im fine with this kind of theater. I would prefer tax bills to recover tax dodges but im not going to nope out on this by writing it off as theater. this timeline has a lot worse things than attempts to raised the minimum wage

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                                    • A architect@thelemmy.club

                                      $25 would destroy any ability for most small businesses to ever get larger or going at all.

                                      I’m basically dying a slave holding a paintbrush in that timeline or raising prices 5x at least. $2k a month for employee health insurance. $25 an hour. Kiss literally everything that isn’t a major corp goodbye!

                                      What needs to happen is redistributing that wealth those corps stole from us.

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                                      soup@lemmy.world
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                                      Small businesses die out, often times, because people can’t afford to buy their stuff. One of the most basic signs of a good economy is small amounts changing hands often. Places like Walmart dominate the field because everyone is so poor they need to worry about saving single dollars and many cannot responsibly buy from local businesses. It’s literally a business strategy for Walmart, Amazon, etc. to undercut long enough to drive out small business and then they keep their employees too poor to fight back.

                                      You’re scared, and I get that, but it will be ok.

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                                      • 8 8oow3291d@feddit.dk

                                        these people still trying to pass fake bills?

                                        Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power, is not "fake bills". What do you want, for Democrats to not tell voters what they would pass, if given power?

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                                        ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                                        Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power

                                        After decades of lies, you'll have to excuse the skepticism of people who have been paying attention.

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                                        • D dioramaofshit@lemmy.world

                                          Small business's definitely can afford to pay 25$ an hour. If they can't, they dont deserve to be in businessm

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                                          hubertmanne@piefed.social
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                                          yeah its not going to effect mom and pop shops if you are actually talking family run. It will make it more cautious in growing but if anything it will make it harder to have a business where the owner stops working. I would prefer more the thing where the highest compensation can't be over 100x the lowest but im not going to quibble about the best way to do good things over bad things.

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