Looking at you, No Man's Sky
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And millions of people enjoy trash mobile games that throw microtransactions at you every couple of minutes. Popularity is not an indicator of quality.
Lol "my opinion is actually objective fact, gentlesir"
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Being a hot mess and being enjoyable are not mutually exclusive. 1.0 was a buggy mess with worlds that had the depth of a puddle populated by Mr potato head animals, the same half dozen outposts, and a suit screaming LIFE SUPPORT FALLING the moment you stepped out of the ship.
Doesn't mean it wasn't enjoyed by some.
Well yeah, procedurally generated worlds were basically what I expected. The game was pretty explicit about that. And it was still fun. Elite's no different in that regard when it comes to exploration and I also have fun with that
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Mars may have "river deltas", but without the river.
Mars is a world. It is a place. It has biomes as varied and unique as those of Earth.
Suuure. A biome is a geographical region with a specific climate, flora and fauna. Mars doesn't have much climate because it has very little atmosphere, and it has no flora or fauna. There's no way in hell that it has biomes as varied as earth.
They are more subtle, but they are there. And it does have an atmosphere. It's substantial enough that communication to the surface can be lost for months due to planet-spanning dust storms. Yes, it's only 1% the pressure of Earth's at the surface, but that's enough, especially when you allow forces to act over geological time scales.
And yes, they can be as varied as those on Earth. Life doesn't actually increase the biome variety as much as you think it does. The kind of life you get in any given biome on Earth is a direct function of the geology and climate in the area. Input a given altitude, rainfall, temperature, and soil conditions, and you'll get a similar biome anywhere on Earth. Yes, there are different individual species in the rain forests of South America vs the rain forests of Africa, but they're both rain forests. They work as biomes in similar ways. Wherever the local climate and geology support rain forests, rain forests sprout up. The only exception is isolated islands that can't be reached by certain species.
This is why Mars can have the same biome diversity as Earth. The living components of Earth's biomes are a direct mapping to the nonliving components. Earth's living biomes are no more diverse than the underlying geology and climate.
And this is before we even consider Martian life forms, which almost certainly exist. We know of bacteria that exist deep in the Earth's crust that, if you transported them to deep under the Martian surface, would be able to survive and thrive just fine with zero modification. We know Mars used to have vast oceans and all the ingredients necessary to get life started. And we've seen numerous bits of circumstantial evidence of bacterial life present in some capacity on Mars today. While scientists are loathe to affirmatively proclaim life on Mars. The extant existence of bacterial life on Mars today really isn't that an unusual claim. If life could get started on Earth, there's no reason to believe it couldn't have started on Mars. And that's before you consider pansperia. If nothing else, we know life can comfortably exist deep in the planet's crust. And who knows how such life might affect conditions on the surface.
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Lol "my opinion is actually objective fact, gentlesir"
Literally not at all what I said. Put that shit back in your ass where it belongs.
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In fairness, seasons and varied terrain aren't guaranteed.
Of all the bodies in the solar system, only Earth has such a wide variety of landscape. Mars is rocky desert or rocky desert with canyons. Pluto is ice ball or rocky ice ball. Etc.
Also, if humans were colonizing earth from outside, we would probably just build cities on the river deltas and skip the less habitable spots. Stories set here would then just be cityscape or river delta, even though the ice caps/mountains/jungles/deserts still exist. Colonized worlds will have different population distribution that organically settled ones.
Some Sci-Fi planet types are reasonable.
The Kepler program found a lot of exoplanets and has categorized them generally as Hot Jupiters, Cold Gas Giants, Ocean Worlds & Ice Giants, Rocky Planets and Lava Worlds.

If you ignore the gas giants because there's no surface to land on, rocky planets (and maybe desert planets) would be extremely common. Water or ice planets would also be incredibly common. And, if you're really unlucky, you might end up on a lava planet -- one that's small and very close to its sun.
What wouldn't be common are things like an entire planet that's a swamp, or an entire planet that's a forest of Earth-style trees. I'm sure it's entirely possible that on some planet there's a life-form that becomes the dominant form and that looks vaguely like Earth-style trees, but not the kind you see on a typical SciFi show filmed near Vancouver.
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It's a large boulder (the size of a small boulder) about 4ft wide, never seen more than waist height, a little closer to one of the "walls" of the quarry.
I'll have to find an episode with it. It's mostly visible after season 1 and before season 8 or 9. Idk what happened to uncover/bury/move it, but it does move like twice during the show, even though I'm positive it's an actual rock and not a prop.
I want to say the first time I noticed it was during the episodes where they're trying to rescue Bra'tac and Ry'ac from the mine? After tretonin was developed. (Ry'ac says "it is hard to ration that which you do not have" when Bra'tac pretends to be taking his tretonin)
When I see it again, I will definitely post to Chevron 7.
Thanks, this will be a fun one
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Nature is just so insanely beautifull that its hard to come up with something even nicer without seeing it. I actually think that if theres life on other planets then earth is among the more beautiful ones because it is subjectively beautiful to us. Yes mountains and rainforests are beautiful, siberia and the chinese planes, but so is the sahara and especially the places we come from. Im from hungary, one of the more boring parts of europe based on nature if you actually look at it objectively but every time i go back i feel a connection to it. Think this is one of the reasons scifi doesnt work for me. The real cultures and nature and everything else we have on this beautiful planet is more than enough for me and nothing pains my heart more than when these places and peoples are distroyed and restricted. When i watch scifi, its kind of an escapism for me to see those very motifs that make us special but in a better light. But yeah i think we struggle to create something more beautiful than what we are basically coded to find as the most beautiful.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And in case of a whole alien species, by pure probability, they would likely be used to a red sky and black plants (red dwarfs (more infrared) being the most numerous among the stable stars). Or even find a free sky horrendous and feel similar about rolling green hills like we feel about Nausicaa's fungal forests.
But Avatar (the Pandora one) did a good job at imagining a different but similiar kind of nature.
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In fairness, seasons and varied terrain aren't guaranteed.
Of all the bodies in the solar system, only Earth has such a wide variety of landscape. Mars is rocky desert or rocky desert with canyons. Pluto is ice ball or rocky ice ball. Etc.
Also, if humans were colonizing earth from outside, we would probably just build cities on the river deltas and skip the less habitable spots. Stories set here would then just be cityscape or river delta, even though the ice caps/mountains/jungles/deserts still exist. Colonized worlds will have different population distribution that organically settled ones.
Honestly, by the numbers, Earth is mostly an ocean/forest planet with some desert. Desert and ice planets are believable, too, given those are more temperature-based, and city planets seem like they'd be inevitable in a sci-fi setting just due to population sizes.
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It's from an old College Humor Troopers sketch
It sounded like it was from something, but I couldn't find it from a quick search!
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To say otherwise would be to admit your story has no need for aliens.
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Well, look, the show has a budget. And the game also a gameplay.
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It's from an old College Humor Troopers sketch
They've added to Troopers over the years with an animated series and a new live action one, if anyone's missed it
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Yeah, plus NMS has come a really really long way since release and they haven't ever asked for another dime.
Which is why I've purchased it twice. Love that game and want to support great devs.
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Mars is rocky desert or rocky desert with canyons.
Mars has river deltas. It has flat plains. It has shifting rolling dunes. It has mountains and valley. It has a twisting series of canyons so constricted they're called the Labyrinth of Night. It has vast ice sheets and polar caps of frozen carbon dioxide and water. It has caves and frozen mud flats and a thousand other varied forms.
Mars is a world. It is a place. It has biomes as varied and unique as those of Earth.
Pluto is ice ball or rocky ice ball.
There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Well, not exactly biomes. That one it doesn't have.
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Also Star Wars... Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet.
From Irregular Webcomic!, #87 via https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SingleBiomePlanet
Imperial Officer: Lord Vader, the rebels have fled the ice planet of Hoth. After going to the swamp planet of Dagobah, Skywalker has rejoined his friends on the desert world of Tatooine. And now the rebel fleet is massing for an attack on the forest moon of Endor.
Darth Vader: I sense a great disturbance in the Force.
Imperial Officer: My lord?
Darth Vader: How else can so many worlds be totally covered with only one terrain type without regard to latitudinal variations?Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet
Yes, they copied it from Foundation. Trantor has a perfectly fine reason for being the way it is, that would apply to Corusant too.
That is, if physics actually allowed them to be that way. Apparently Asimov didn't run the numbers on that one.
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My guess is that a rocky planet that is 5% - 95% covered with ocean is probably pretty rare. You probably mostly either get water / ice planets or rock planets.
Another thing that makes Earth unique is the liquid iron core. Without that you don't get a magnetic field. Without a magnetic field, it's hard to keep the atmosphere intact. That means that water vapour gets blown off over time, which eventually results on a dry planet like Mars.
As for all 3 states of water, as long as you're in the range to have a wet surface, you'll probably get all 3 states of water. The poles will get a lot less solar radiation than the equator, so if the equator is wet it's pretty likely that you'll get at least a bit of ice at the poles. If there's a lot of water then it's easy to get water vapour. Even Europa which has an average surface temperature of -171C (102K) has a liquid water ocean under the icy surface, and although its atmosphere is extremely thin, part of it is water vapour.
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To say otherwise would be to admit your story has no need for aliens.
Oh man, in general, people be raving about aliens, but never give two looks to the ants in their garden. Or you know, the entirety of Australia. Or the deep sea. We have so much life that's alien buzzing around us. Hell, we even have the Scottish – humanoids that speak an entirely cryptic language. It's so much more compelling story-telling, too, if they don't arrive here in a spaceship, but rather have been living among us all this time.
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Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet
Yes, they copied it from Foundation. Trantor has a perfectly fine reason for being the way it is, that would apply to Corusant too.
That is, if physics actually allowed them to be that way. Apparently Asimov didn't run the numbers on that one.
Trantor is Rome and the galaxy is the empire.
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I imagine No Man's Sky is doing this specifically to reference the trope as was originally commonly portrayed in e.g. Flash Gordon serials and various golden age comics. Similar to Starbound, this also has an intentional gameplay implication in that it forces you to leave the planet and find another one with the biome appropriate for whatever resource it is you need. Otherwise you could park your butt on one planet and never have any compelling reason to go anywhere else which really rather defeats the intent of the game.
As far as other works of fiction go, though, yes. It's just lazy.
It can be relatively justified for NMS too, considering that its setting seems to explicitly be some sort of simulation in-universe, the rules it operates on don't have to match physical reality
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To say otherwise would be to admit your story has no need for aliens.
I mean, not really? There's lots of reasons to use aliens in a story and I'm struggling to think of one that only works if you assume low-diversity planets
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