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  • W wanderingthoughts@europe.pub

    Within the TMZ, thirty mile zone, because union rules say you have to pay transportation time for workers above that limit.

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    jaaake@lemmy.world
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    This is a great factoid! No idea why I'm getting downvoted.

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    • E ephera@lemmy.ml

      Oh man, in general, people be raving about aliens, but never give two looks to the ants in their garden. Or you know, the entirety of Australia. Or the deep sea. We have so much life that's alien buzzing around us. Hell, we even have the Scottish – humanoids that speak an entirely cryptic language. It's so much more compelling story-telling, too, if they don't arrive here in a spaceship, but rather have been living among us all this time.

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      underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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      #102

      Oh man, in general, people be raving about aliens, but never give two looks to the ants in their garden.

      Idk about that. "Honey, I Shrunk The Kids" did numbers.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.worksM merc@sh.itjust.works

        Some Sci-Fi planet types are reasonable.

        The Kepler program found a lot of exoplanets and has categorized them generally as Hot Jupiters, Cold Gas Giants, Ocean Worlds & Ice Giants, Rocky Planets and Lava Worlds.

        Exoplanet types with major types "Hot Jupiters", "Cold Gas Giants", "Ocean Worlds & Ice Giants", "Rocky Planets" and "Lava Worlds"

        If you ignore the gas giants because there's no surface to land on, rocky planets (and maybe desert planets) would be extremely common. Water or ice planets would also be incredibly common. And, if you're really unlucky, you might end up on a lava planet -- one that's small and very close to its sun.

        What wouldn't be common are things like an entire planet that's a swamp, or an entire planet that's a forest of Earth-style trees. I'm sure it's entirely possible that on some planet there's a life-form that becomes the dominant form and that looks vaguely like Earth-style trees, but not the kind you see on a typical SciFi show filmed near Vancouver.

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        underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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        #103

        If you ignore the gas giants because there’s no surface to land on

        Hey now. You can land on the surface of Jupiter if you're dense enough.

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        • U unspecificgravity@piefed.social

          My favorite is how there is only ever one city and like 10,000 people on any planet.

          Oh he went to this planet? Well, lets just go to the market, he's bound to turn up at some point.

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          underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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          My favorite is how there is only ever one city and like 10,000 people on any planet.

          I would spot you that some of this makes sense if the world is largely inhospitable and the one city with the singular mono-culture is the corner that's human habitable.

          Mos Eisley Cantina makes sense if you consider it a tiny space port on a largely inhospitable planet where you literally have to farm moister to survive.

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          • M marcos@lemmy.world

            Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet

            Yes, they copied it from Foundation. Trantor has a perfectly fine reason for being the way it is, that would apply to Corusant too.

            That is, if physics actually allowed them to be that way. Apparently Asimov didn't run the numbers on that one.

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            underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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            #105

            In Foundation, Asimov suggests that spaceships start running on coal power, after civilization collapses so far that people forget how to build nuclear engines. He was always more of a Big Ideas Guy than a Fine Details Guy.

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            • A apocalypteroid@anarchist.nexus

              Dr Who: Every planet is a disused quarry.

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              underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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              #106

              Hey, sometimes it's a ramshackle alleyway or the back of someone's car.

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              • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                In Foundation, Asimov suggests that spaceships start running on coal power, after civilization collapses so far that people forget how to build nuclear engines. He was always more of a Big Ideas Guy than a Fine Details Guy.

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                marcos@lemmy.world
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                #107

                Wait, wasn't it a metaphor for "some nuclear reactor so rudimentary that they could as well use steam engines"? I really don't remember it well.

                Anyway, he's famous for running the numbers for some things. But yeah, he absolutely didn't do it for all things.

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                • W woodscientist@lemmy.world

                  They are more subtle, but they are there. And it does have an atmosphere. It's substantial enough that communication to the surface can be lost for months due to planet-spanning dust storms. Yes, it's only 1% the pressure of Earth's at the surface, but that's enough, especially when you allow forces to act over geological time scales.

                  And yes, they can be as varied as those on Earth. Life doesn't actually increase the biome variety as much as you think it does. The kind of life you get in any given biome on Earth is a direct function of the geology and climate in the area. Input a given altitude, rainfall, temperature, and soil conditions, and you'll get a similar biome anywhere on Earth. Yes, there are different individual species in the rain forests of South America vs the rain forests of Africa, but they're both rain forests. They work as biomes in similar ways. Wherever the local climate and geology support rain forests, rain forests sprout up. The only exception is isolated islands that can't be reached by certain species.

                  This is why Mars can have the same biome diversity as Earth. The living components of Earth's biomes are a direct mapping to the nonliving components. Earth's living biomes are no more diverse than the underlying geology and climate.

                  And this is before we even consider Martian life forms, which almost certainly exist. We know of bacteria that exist deep in the Earth's crust that, if you transported them to deep under the Martian surface, would be able to survive and thrive just fine with zero modification. We know Mars used to have vast oceans and all the ingredients necessary to get life started. And we've seen numerous bits of circumstantial evidence of bacterial life present in some capacity on Mars today. While scientists are loathe to affirmatively proclaim life on Mars. The extant existence of bacterial life on Mars today really isn't that an unusual claim. If life could get started on Earth, there's no reason to believe it couldn't have started on Mars. And that's before you consider pansperia. If nothing else, we know life can comfortably exist deep in the planet's crust. And who knows how such life might affect conditions on the surface.

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                  soggy@lemmy.world
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                  Mars has no biomes because Mars has no known life. You can't skip the "bio" part of the word.

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                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                    If you ignore the gas giants because there’s no surface to land on

                    Hey now. You can land on the surface of Jupiter if you're dense enough.

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                    merc@sh.itjust.works
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                    Metallic hydrogen sounds so cool.

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                    • S skepticpunk@lemmy.world

                      Honestly, by the numbers, Earth is mostly an ocean/forest planet with some desert. Desert and ice planets are believable, too, given those are more temperature-based, and city planets seem like they'd be inevitable in a sci-fi setting just due to population sizes.

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                      halowpeano@lemmy.world
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                      By the numbers I think it's an ocean planet with 71% coverage. Of the land, it's actually pretty evenly split 1/3 forest, 1/3 desert, 1/3 grass or shrubland.

                      Given what we know of the Earth's own history, forest planets, ice planets, and desert planets are all possible and the Earth has been each in different geologic times. Although in every case there will be pockets of other biomes that are very large on a human scale. A single France-sized forest would be massive to a human explorer, even if the rest of the planet is ocean and ice.

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                      • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

                        Yeah, the holocene is a weirdly varied time period for climates. Grasslands and similar ecosystems are pretty new geologically.

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                        vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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                        Probably helps that grasses evolved since the dinosaurs got Cained by the universe. Honestly the variation seen in the Holocene is probably the direct result of the Yucatan impact and the Great Dieing before it.

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                        • M marcos@lemmy.world

                          Wait, wasn't it a metaphor for "some nuclear reactor so rudimentary that they could as well use steam engines"? I really don't remember it well.

                          Anyway, he's famous for running the numbers for some things. But yeah, he absolutely didn't do it for all things.

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                          underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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                          wasn’t it a metaphor

                          Maybe. I just remember re-reading the book in preparation for the TV Show's release, and being somewhat set back by how low tech even the more advanced set pieces were in the book compared to the show. It makes more sense when you recognize these books were written in the 1940s, practically before rocketry was a thing. But it's still a bit of a trip to see what Asimov considered the future would look like.

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                            beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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                            The word for world is forest

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                              yeahigotskills2@lemmy.world
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                              #114

                              Hey, be good if we wreck all this, which belongs to us all by birthright, so the ultra-rich could get to one of them and build a massive slave colony, with a green house exclusively for themselves to masterbate in, while we fight over oxygen, right?

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                              • W woodscientist@lemmy.world

                                Depending on the setting, that could make a lot of sense. Imagine a planet settled entirely by the descendants of a single expedition. That planet wouldn't be a complete cultural monolith; not everyone would be identical. But an entire planet with the cultural diversity of a small place like Iceland really isn't unreasonable. If it's a species' home world, that makes less sense.

                                Or, a really dark bit of head canon? Every time you find an alien species that lives on its home world and has a single culture? Inevitably this means a cultural evolutionary bottleneck existed in the planet's past. If it's not a colony planet, then something else must have caused that bottleneck.

                                My head canon? Any planet like that is one where an alien Hitler won. When you encounter a planet like that, it means that some time in the last thousand years or so of that planet, a Hitler-like figure came to power and achieved global hegemony. They decided that there was one and only one right way to live. Everyone was either forcibly converted to that lifestyle or done away with.

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                                soggy@lemmy.world
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                                I think you're vastly underestimating how quickly culture deviates and develops. A planetary mono-culture would require every person to grow up in exactly the same circumstances. No stratification from class or gender or sex or age or ethnicity. No varying seasons or biomes or climates. Exposed to all the same media at exactly the same time, and all with the same intelligence and personality and ability to interpret it.

                                In short, the only time a mono-culture makes even a tiny bit of sense is when it's a hivemind. (Or mind-control but that's pretty much the same thing)

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                                • S soggy@lemmy.world

                                  Mars has no biomes because Mars has no known life. You can't skip the "bio" part of the word.

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                                  village604@adultswim.fan
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                                  It might have had biomes in the past, but that's a different discussion. There's no evidence of life currently existing on Mars.

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                                  • kolanaki@pawb.socialK kolanaki@pawb.social

                                    "This is all one castle."

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                                    Which somehow has an indoor jungle, an ice cave, an underwater section, a fire cave, a cathedral, the entire Library of Alexandria, the inevitable clock tower, an arcade and bowling alley...

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                                    • S soggy@lemmy.world

                                      I think you're vastly underestimating how quickly culture deviates and develops. A planetary mono-culture would require every person to grow up in exactly the same circumstances. No stratification from class or gender or sex or age or ethnicity. No varying seasons or biomes or climates. Exposed to all the same media at exactly the same time, and all with the same intelligence and personality and ability to interpret it.

                                      In short, the only time a mono-culture makes even a tiny bit of sense is when it's a hivemind. (Or mind-control but that's pretty much the same thing)

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                                      woodscientist@lemmy.world
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                                      Read what I wrote. I didn't define a monoculture as literally every individual being the same. I defined a monoculture a a planet that had a similar level of cultural diversity to a small country like Iceland. We would typically call countries like this a monoculture, even though they obviously have variations gender, class, etc. People don't have to be absolute identical clones for it to be a monoculture.

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                                        Don't forget that if the planet is inhabited, it has only has one civilization that is mono-ethnic and mono-cultural. Star Trek is the most prominent offender example of this. Still a good series though.

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                                          A lot of stargates seem suspiciously located in abandoned quarries in the Pacific northwest

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