Thank you for flying Spirit
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2 glasses is over the limit for doctors. When on call you can't drink even one.
On call is not really what we discuss here, emergency may require a trained person to at least identify as one and try helping. Of course it depends on the legislation
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"in board"
Words hard, apparently.
Employees who speak pretty cost extra. Forgoing those is just one of the many revolutionary cost cutting innovations of Spirit.
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Seems like a contradictory explanation.
If malpractice insurance doesn’t apply because you are not practicing, wouldn’t Good Samaritan kick in cause you’re just a member of the public during the situation?
The US is incredibly lawsuit-heavy. You can't even just go and explain your side of the story because the victim will bring the biggest, baddest ambulance chaser they can find.
Not all states apply good samarintan clauses the same, some only apply to civil liability which gets messy.
The Hippocratic oath would be enough for most to do it anyway if no one steps up, but i understand the not wanting to part because they are not universally protected.
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Not sure if it's still the case, but airlines used to give flight credits to doctors who helped out. Probably not Spirit though...
Doctors can usually afford not to fly the best of the worst.
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Most doctors won't admit to being a doctor in such circumstances anyway. If they do, they become responsible for the patient for the duration of the trip, and they don't get paid. They may have to make a call whether to emergency land early (pissing off everyone on the plane any delaying their own plans) or risking the life of the patient. It's a no win situation.
If they are asking it is explicitly because it's beyond basic first aid and they're scared. The plane is landing either way, if they are already asking for a doctor, then the decision was already made by the pilots. Afterwards it's a matter of providing proper care until delivered to a emergency services at the airport. All doctors I know will absolutely respond to such a call on a plane, but medical assistance doesn't always include touching or doing something to the patient. Often, it's just looking at them or talking to them (if they're conscious) and advising the flight crew on what the proper care should be like. Ultimately, doctors are useless without proper infrastructure and resources. A surgeon without a hospital is as helpless as the patient and no first aid carries a pharmacy.
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by performing any medical intervention you are responsible for the care of the individual. this includes if you aren't even a doctor and are simply first aid certified.
don't blame the doctors, blame the politicians and lawyers who made the laws.
In Nevada, it wouldn't surprise me. The US is indeed filled with assholes.^1^ Most of the world though, has good Samaritan laws and you won't face criminal charges if you were actively trying to save a life outside of extremely gross negligence. Many places of the world also have strong first aid certification programs that further protect those certified as long as they followed the standard protocol.^1^: Disregard that comment, Nevada does have Good Samaritan laws, that person's friend is just a piece of shit.
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There's no doctors inboard, but how about outboard?
Doctor overboard!
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Most doctors won't admit to being a doctor in such circumstances anyway. If they do, they become responsible for the patient for the duration of the trip, and they don't get paid. They may have to make a call whether to emergency land early (pissing off everyone on the plane any delaying their own plans) or risking the life of the patient. It's a no win situation.
I spend my day around doctors. They take their Hippocratic oath very seriously, and this comment in no way exemplifies most of the practitioner behavior I observe on a daily basis.
The insurance companies and for-profit hospital administrators on the other hand...
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In Canada all provinces have some form of Good Samaritan law which means that you aren't responsible other than gross negligence. So any off-duty doctor would be very safe to help out unless they were doing something very stupid.
But who defines 'very stupid'. The loved ones of the person who dies because the doctor didn't recommend an emergency stop?
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Seems like a contradictory explanation.
If malpractice insurance doesn’t apply because you are not practicing, wouldn’t Good Samaritan kick in cause you’re just a member of the public during the situation?
It is worth it to a doctor to throw away their career and life savings to find out?
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But who defines 'very stupid'. The loved ones of the person who dies because the doctor didn't recommend an emergency stop?
Of course it can only surely be decided in a court. But in this case it would be something like was not actively trying to cause harm.
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Listen,
I once did a round trip between O'hare and Austin for less than $99 in total.It was my goto. And if I still lived in the states I'd still be using it.
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Anyone who thinks doctors don't fly Spirit, but can explain why they haven't updated any of the magazines in the waiting room in twenty years, please speak up.
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Last time I recall flying Spirit (which was many years ago) at the end of the flight, the attendant gave the whole speech about "thank you for flying Spirit Airlines, America's premiere budget airline" or whatever it is they say.
From the back of the plane I hear a voice call out "...you charged me for water!"
I remember an attendant once said "And to those who said they'd 'never fly with us again': Welcome back! "
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Most doctors won't admit to being a doctor in such circumstances anyway. If they do, they become responsible for the patient for the duration of the trip, and they don't get paid. They may have to make a call whether to emergency land early (pissing off everyone on the plane any delaying their own plans) or risking the life of the patient. It's a no win situation.
True. We all know the Hippocratic oath. Do no harm (unless it inconveniences a flight of passengers).
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Listen,
I once did a round trip between O'hare and Austin for less than $99 in total.It was my goto. And if I still lived in the states I'd still be using it.
I think those days are behind us…however this is rough search. Probably could find something way cheaper if I did it like 6 months out -
by performing any medical intervention you are responsible for the care of the individual. this includes if you aren't even a doctor and are simply first aid certified.
don't blame the doctors, blame the politicians and lawyers who made the laws.
That isn't true in the US or Europe so not sure where you're talking about.
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It's not really about being paid, it's about being covered by malpractice insurance which typically only happens for paid services. Yes people or people's families regularly sue doctors when treatment is unsuccessful. Some jurisdictions don't allow this, but often while non doctors cannot be sued because of these 'Good Samaritan' laws, doctors can still be. And when you're in the air, it's not always clear what jurisdiction you are in.
This is such an american take.
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As usual Lemmy downvoting things they don't agree with, even if it's true.
I was with a physician friend on the Las Vegas strip as a guy went down with a heart attack. I'm like, this is your moment! Go save them! And she grabs my arm and yanks me into a doorway so I can't make a commotion, explains that no doctor will simply do that, it means they're on the hook for it, when an EMT is just minutes away and is properly prepared to handle it. She said if doctors didn't obey this unwritten rule, they'd constantly be giving out care to random people, possibly without admitting privileges in nearby hospitals, taking on liability they're not insured for (being outside of a hospital), etc.
So you're completely right.
So your data point of one american speaks for 'most' doctors globally. Sound stats.
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That isn't true in the US or Europe so not sure where you're talking about.
it was true when I became first response certified a decade ago.
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