Trump administration to prioritise seeking death penalty, use firing squads
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Trump should be met by a firing squad. I'm sure there would be lots of volunteers.
Get a national vote. Anyone found guilty of 30+ felonies must be executed by firing squad.
I wouldn't want it, but it would get Republicans to vote against it
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The administration of United States President Donald Trump has announced plans to expand the use of the federal death penalty, including through the deployment of firing squads.
The announcement on Friday was part of a policy document issued by the Department of Justice, setting out the legal argument for various methods of execution.
It touted steps for “restoring and strengthening” the death penalty as integral to the pursuit of justice.
“The Department of Justice acted to restore its solemn duty to seek, obtain, and implement lawful capital sentences — clearing the way for the Department to carry out executions once death-sentenced inmates have exhausted their appeals,” the Justice Department said in a news release.
Whenever capital punishment comes up, I am reminded of the hypocrisy of American Christians.
Pretty much every Christian claims to believe that killing is prohibited by the ten commandments. In a democracy, if you vote for a politician who supports the death penalty, you are asking them to kill a person on your behalf. A Christian should not be able to vote for a politician who supports the death penalty.
Compare that with abortion. The bible says virtually nothing about abortion except how to pray for one. If you vote for a pro-choice politician, nobody is being killed on your behalf.
Compare these two, and it's obvious that a Christian who votes for a pro-death-penalty and anti-abortion candidate is voting against their own religion. But they claim to be voting for Christian values, which is pure hypocrisy.
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I mean...
There's completely painless ways to die.
That's what the whole assisted suicide thing is in civilized countries.
The "problem" is, that's completely painless, you just go to sleep. And the people who want this, want it to be a painful gruesome death.
It's not justice or even removing an uncontrollable element, it's vengeance. And vengeance has to be painful.
There's nothing stopping an ethical death penalty except the ethics of the people implementing
There’s completely painless ways to die.
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There’s nothing stopping an ethical death penalty except the ethics of the people implementing
This comment implies that the method of killing is the fundamental ethical problem with the death penalty. The killing part is the fundamental problem for me.
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Build massive secretive camps that house thousands and thousands of people
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Raise a personal gestapo to hunt down and disappear immigrants
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Pass laws that brand anyone left of Reagan as a domestic terrorist
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Call for more firing squads
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You forgot to profit between each step.
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Build massive secretive camps that house thousands and thousands of people
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Raise a personal gestapo to hunt down and disappear immigrants
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Pass laws that brand anyone left of Reagan as a domestic terrorist
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Call for more firing squads
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Who would do the actual shooting though? For me this presents a problem. It can go two ways:
- We have to employ someone that doesn't want to kill people, but does it anyway in an act of duty while suffering the psychological trauma every time they do their job.
Or even worse...
- We have to employ someone that does want to kill people, and we're paying them to do it.
I mean image recognition is one of the things AI is actually good at... Just sayin...
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You forgot to profit between each step.
The last step is to privatize all the previous steps.
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Whenever capital punishment comes up, I am reminded of the hypocrisy of American Christians.
Pretty much every Christian claims to believe that killing is prohibited by the ten commandments. In a democracy, if you vote for a politician who supports the death penalty, you are asking them to kill a person on your behalf. A Christian should not be able to vote for a politician who supports the death penalty.
Compare that with abortion. The bible says virtually nothing about abortion except how to pray for one. If you vote for a pro-choice politician, nobody is being killed on your behalf.
Compare these two, and it's obvious that a Christian who votes for a pro-death-penalty and anti-abortion candidate is voting against their own religion. But they claim to be voting for Christian values, which is pure hypocrisy.
I think we are reaching a point where its an open secret that the words of Jesus are purely marketing for Christianity and the reality is quite uglier.
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There’s completely painless ways to die.
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There’s nothing stopping an ethical death penalty except the ethics of the people implementing
This comment implies that the method of killing is the fundamental ethical problem with the death penalty. The killing part is the fundamental problem for me.
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Yes...
Any discussion on an ethical way to do something, is first predicted on the thing happening.
There's an ethical way to cut aomeone's leg off, that doesn't mean we should cut Bob's leg off, it doesn't even mean we should cut anyone's leg off under any circumstances.
Just that if we were going to do something, there are ways to do that ethically.
People really don't learn this shit anymore?
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The administration of United States President Donald Trump has announced plans to expand the use of the federal death penalty, including through the deployment of firing squads.
The announcement on Friday was part of a policy document issued by the Department of Justice, setting out the legal argument for various methods of execution.
It touted steps for “restoring and strengthening” the death penalty as integral to the pursuit of justice.
“The Department of Justice acted to restore its solemn duty to seek, obtain, and implement lawful capital sentences — clearing the way for the Department to carry out executions once death-sentenced inmates have exhausted their appeals,” the Justice Department said in a news release.
Pretty much the exact thing we claim to be invading Iran over. Interesting…
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I mean image recognition is one of the things AI is actually good at... Just sayin...
That's....actually worse than the two scenarios I posted earlier. State built and controlled AI rifle-toting killbots doesn't seem like a good idea to encourage.
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That's....actually worse than the two scenarios I posted earlier. State built and controlled AI rifle-toting killbots doesn't seem like a good idea to encourage.
I don't know, we're already well down that path already - in this context I think its actually one place where it makes sense if you agree with the death penalty I personally do not.
2022 for reference: https://youtu.be/OcgXru3Z3GQ?si=R2ERLtnPULfeF7WL
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I don't know, we're already well down that path already - in this context I think its actually one place where it makes sense if you agree with the death penalty I personally do not.
2022 for reference: https://youtu.be/OcgXru3Z3GQ?si=R2ERLtnPULfeF7WL
I don’t know, we’re already well down that path already
I'm not claiming the technology doesn't exist, I'm saying that I don't want the society I live in to fund its expansion and employment by the state against its citizens. Once deployed, it would be trivially easy to employ against not only "the convicted" but any other group the state wanted killed. Even proponents of state level death penalty probably don't want that.
if you agree with the death penalty I personally do not.
You and I agree on this. I might be onboard with it if we have a way of enforcing it without ever executing an innocent person, and also equal enforcement across groups. The historical data doesn't like. The death penatly is disproportionately applied to people of color, so the system is broken. This means we cannot rightfully have a state level death penalty.
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I think we are reaching a point where its an open secret that the words of Jesus are purely marketing for Christianity and the reality is quite uglier.
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yeah but the realization for large portions of the population is what is new, although I agree that it has always been just marketing!
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I don’t know, we’re already well down that path already
I'm not claiming the technology doesn't exist, I'm saying that I don't want the society I live in to fund its expansion and employment by the state against its citizens. Once deployed, it would be trivially easy to employ against not only "the convicted" but any other group the state wanted killed. Even proponents of state level death penalty probably don't want that.
if you agree with the death penalty I personally do not.
You and I agree on this. I might be onboard with it if we have a way of enforcing it without ever executing an innocent person, and also equal enforcement across groups. The historical data doesn't like. The death penatly is disproportionately applied to people of color, so the system is broken. This means we cannot rightfully have a state level death penalty.
ah, the way you said "encourage" led me to believe you meant that it was not available, and that discussion of which would encourage its development further. The slippery slope debate about its use elsewhere is valid, but I think it is also valid to discuss it as an alternative when discussing viable death penalty executioners, and it is part of my reasoning for why the death penalty is wrong across the board.
If you think this sort of technology won't be deployed the moment a serious civil uprising occurs, well then I envy you because I would love to live under that belief - but I don't.
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Who would do the actual shooting though? For me this presents a problem. It can go two ways:
- We have to employ someone that doesn't want to kill people, but does it anyway in an act of duty while suffering the psychological trauma every time they do their job.
Or even worse...
- We have to employ someone that does want to kill people, and we're paying them to do it.
That's actually why it's a squad.
A single executioner would be more than capable of delivering a killing shot. Hell, they could just shoot them in the head with a handgun.
The squad means that no one member knows if they're the one that actually delivered the killing shot.
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Whenever capital punishment comes up, I am reminded of the hypocrisy of American Christians.
Pretty much every Christian claims to believe that killing is prohibited by the ten commandments. In a democracy, if you vote for a politician who supports the death penalty, you are asking them to kill a person on your behalf. A Christian should not be able to vote for a politician who supports the death penalty.
Compare that with abortion. The bible says virtually nothing about abortion except how to pray for one. If you vote for a pro-choice politician, nobody is being killed on your behalf.
Compare these two, and it's obvious that a Christian who votes for a pro-death-penalty and anti-abortion candidate is voting against their own religion. But they claim to be voting for Christian values, which is pure hypocrisy.
As someone raised in the church, but did not fall into white nationalism like so many Republicans, they will absolutely never be swayed by logic. They're literally brainwashed in a cult. Jesus is no different than a member of antifa to them. They only care about themselves, their cult, its leader, and seeing other people hurt. None of those things are in the ten commandments. If judgement day came today, every single one of them would have a reserved seat in a particularly nasty place in Hell.
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That's actually why it's a squad.
A single executioner would be more than capable of delivering a killing shot. Hell, they could just shoot them in the head with a handgun.
The squad means that no one member knows if they're the one that actually delivered the killing shot.
The squad means that no one member knows if they’re the one that actually delivered the killing shot.
I get it. Its an attempt at plausible self-deniability, but all the people that fired know that one (or more of them) could be the killer. For someone that doesn't like killing people, I wouldn't think that's enough.
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yeah but the realization for large portions of the population is what is new, although I agree that it has always been just marketing!
It might not even be the amount of people realizing, but the ability to share and express ideas has gotten a little easier. ..at least for now.
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