Trump administration to prioritise seeking death penalty, use firing squads
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And the "can't take it back" aspect. Conviction and execution of innocent people does happen.
I mostly am just against the state having the right to kill.
But innocent people being killed is definitely a top list issue.
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Who would do the actual shooting though? For me this presents a problem. It can go two ways:
- We have to employ someone that doesn't want to kill people, but does it anyway in an act of duty while suffering the psychological trauma every time they do their job.
Or even worse...
- We have to employ someone that does want to kill people, and we're paying them to do it.
Select one person from the jury that convicted and assign them the role of carrying out their judgment.
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It might not even be the amount of people realizing, but the ability to share and express ideas has gotten a little easier. ..at least for now.
yeah, although I feel like open communication leads to more people realizing, but I get your point.
I feel like the democratization of global communication led to "a new hope" of sorts, and now we're living through "The Empire Strikes Back"
Just got to make it to the third movie before things get too bleak... Hopefully...
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The fact this is still getting downvotes is pathetic.
Lemmys gonna lemming themselves in front of the firing squads they did nothing to oppose.
Trump could run as a Democrat and you'd be on here telling everyone they're an idiot for not voting for him and that's why we are where we are right now.
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The administration of United States President Donald Trump has announced plans to expand the use of the federal death penalty, including through the deployment of firing squads.
The announcement on Friday was part of a policy document issued by the Department of Justice, setting out the legal argument for various methods of execution.
It touted steps for “restoring and strengthening” the death penalty as integral to the pursuit of justice.
“The Department of Justice acted to restore its solemn duty to seek, obtain, and implement lawful capital sentences — clearing the way for the Department to carry out executions once death-sentenced inmates have exhausted their appeals,” the Justice Department said in a news release.
I hope this is foreshadowing for the trump regime being executed as war criminals.
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Select one person from the jury that convicted and assign them the role of carrying out their judgment.
I thought about that too, but juries usually don't decide the sentence (in this case, execution). Juries just determine guilty or not on the charges. Sentencing is usually decided by the presiding judge after the jury renders its verdict on the charges and are already dismissed.
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Yes...
Any discussion on an ethical way to do something, is first predicted on the thing happening.
There's an ethical way to cut aomeone's leg off, that doesn't mean we should cut Bob's leg off, it doesn't even mean we should cut anyone's leg off under any circumstances.
Just that if we were going to do something, there are ways to do that ethically.
People really don't learn this shit anymore?
On the other hand, there're good, ethical reasons to cut off Bob's leg sometimes. If you hold the view that there's never an ethical reason for the state to execute someone, then by that definition all those killings are just some varied degrees of unethical.
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On the other hand, there're good, ethical reasons to cut off Bob's leg sometimes. If you hold the view that there's never an ethical reason for the state to execute someone, then by that definition all those killings are just some varied degrees of unethical.
A prisoner is suffering and wants to die, their life is a constant pain and keeping them in prison until they die would be torture...
Youd make them suffer for years to only die in prison later?
I guess everyone has different ethical lines...
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A prisoner is suffering and wants to die, their life is a constant pain and keeping them in prison until they die would be torture...
Youd make them suffer for years to only die in prison later?
I guess everyone has different ethical lines...
First, I didn't make the argument.
Second, I think most people could draw a line between allowing a suffering prisoner to choose death and forcing it on them.
Third, that assumes that there's an ethical argument for life imprisonment.
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yeah, although I feel like open communication leads to more people realizing, but I get your point.
I feel like the democratization of global communication led to "a new hope" of sorts, and now we're living through "The Empire Strikes Back"
Just got to make it to the third movie before things get too bleak... Hopefully...
Totally agree with you on all points. People seem willing to rise up, even if it's taking a bit longer than I'd have hoped, but there is still hope.
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A prisoner is suffering and wants to die, their life is a constant pain and keeping them in prison until they die would be torture...
Youd make them suffer for years to only die in prison later?
I guess everyone has different ethical lines...
That’s not a “death penalty” though. It’s mercy killing.
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The squad means that no one member knows if they’re the one that actually delivered the killing shot.
I get it. Its an attempt at plausible self-deniability, but all the people that fired know that one (or more of them) could be the killer. For someone that doesn't like killing people, I wouldn't think that's enough.
It also comes from the military, when you're executing one of your own as a traitor. So there's a mitigating factor in there somewhere.
Theoretically any given soldier could deliberately miss too, relying on there being at least one other squad member to make a killing shot.
I mean, not killing people under any circumstances is better.
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The squad means that no one member knows if they’re the one that actually delivered the killing shot.
I get it. Its an attempt at plausible self-deniability, but all the people that fired know that one (or more of them) could be the killer. For someone that doesn't like killing people, I wouldn't think that's enough.
It doesn't even make sense in my opinion. In my mind, all of them are the killers, no matter whose exact bullet it was, and I don't get how you could convince yourself otherwise.
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Up next, america announces new crucifixion punishment for "politically problematic" prisoners
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I mean image recognition is one of the things AI is actually good at... Just sayin...
Sure... for static photos of inanimate objects image recognition its ok. It is easily fooled by false perspectives, weird lighting and odd angles but whatever.
The problem is that AI is a shit show as soon as you try to adapt it for real world use. The capability of these things are beyond exaggerated because tech bros lie and bias test results (because it makes them very rich).
Such speculation of using AI for this or that is part of the scam. Best not to do it.
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Yes...
Any discussion on an ethical way to do something, is first predicted on the thing happening.
There's an ethical way to cut aomeone's leg off, that doesn't mean we should cut Bob's leg off, it doesn't even mean we should cut anyone's leg off under any circumstances.
Just that if we were going to do something, there are ways to do that ethically.
People really don't learn this shit anymore?
This argument is specious. It implies that there's an ethical way to engage in any imaginable act and ignores the possibility of the existence of acts which may never be ethical under any circumstance. This isn't a question of whether someone has "learned this shit." You've created a tautology re: the existence of an ethical means to all ends. One doesn't need to accept Kant's Categorical Imperative to believe that some acts can never be ethical.
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Build massive secretive camps that house thousands and thousands of people
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Raise a personal gestapo to hunt down and disappear immigrants
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Pass laws that brand anyone left of Reagan as a domestic terrorist
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Call for more firing squads
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- Americans continue to do fuck all, giving it their tacit approval
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I think we are reaching a point where its an open secret that the words of Jesus are purely marketing for Christianity and the reality is quite uglier.
I'm an atheist and I know not to subsume all of Christianity under white evangelicalism.
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The administration of United States President Donald Trump has announced plans to expand the use of the federal death penalty, including through the deployment of firing squads.
The announcement on Friday was part of a policy document issued by the Department of Justice, setting out the legal argument for various methods of execution.
It touted steps for “restoring and strengthening” the death penalty as integral to the pursuit of justice.
“The Department of Justice acted to restore its solemn duty to seek, obtain, and implement lawful capital sentences — clearing the way for the Department to carry out executions once death-sentenced inmates have exhausted their appeals,” the Justice Department said in a news release.
Abolish the death penalty completely no reason to trust the state with this power.
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I think we are reaching a point where its an open secret that the words of Jesus are purely marketing for Christianity and the reality is quite uglier.
For many for sure, I still hope others think the proper lessons are good. I mostly cling to that cause I went to religious schools as a kid, parents were not and I am not, but had decent education otherwise. But I did learn Christianity decently and in general has good ideas but they've been warped to greedy people's needs.
Kinda reminds me of the movie Dogma, ideas are good (help people, be kind etc) but beliefs are hard to change. If you got an idea it can be shifted into something better as needs change.
I think if there is a higher power (I don't really but think it's a possibility like multi dimensions) they'd like us to understand the spirit of that book, not literal and not use it like a shield for being an asshole.
In the end you are you, if you don't do stuff cause a book says no, it not cause you are good. If you do good stuff just cause a book says so it's not good either. Want to be better for the people around you, not what some book says.
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