SNAP benefits don't pay for rotisserie chicken. A bipartisan bill might change that
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This is literally what every prosperous society already does.
but that's SoCiAlIsM and we can't have that here!
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This is literally what every prosperous society already does.
I know I didn’t realize so many people hated UBI here.
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It's not just hot/ prepared foods. Had a relative who worked in a grocery store and there is like a whole list of what you're allowed and not allowed to buy. Maybe people who know more can fill in the details, all I remember is that you had to buy 2% milk or skim; no whole milk for poor kids. ridiculous.
Also causes a lot of confusion for more niche products. For example, my local store has glass bottles of milk where you can return the bottles to get some money back, but EBT doesn't cover the cost of the bottle, even though the milk itself is cheaper than the other milk options when you factor in the value from returning the bottle.
Everyone on EBT either needs extra cash to pay the bottle deposit, or they spend more money on milk.
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You're thinking of WIC, not SNAP. It's only for pregnant women and kids under a certain age to make sure they have the bare minimum of nutritional needs met. And yeah, it comes with a ton of rules and limits. They've slightly modernized it, but you used to have to use checks that had the items listed and you had to buy it all at once or miss out for the month. There's a booklet that lists the item, with brands and sizes, that can be used. No substitutions or exceptions. And if something is miscoded, oh well.
The items are 2% milk or soy milk, peanut butter, whole wheat bread/tortillas, canned fish, low sugar cereal, fruit juice and like $10 worth of fresh fruits and veggies.
It can be life saving, but I remember the entire program being really demeaning and too difficult to utilize.It kinda sounds like someone took the old food stamps system and just combined the entire fucken booklet into one cheque. Why?
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Here in CA the only restrictions are hot food and alcohol (and hot food is restricted only if you aren’t homeless), but in my birth state my sister had to only buy specific brands of certain allowed foods. It’s nuts.
And it should be noted that even that hot food rule isn't even followed outside of grocers. The reason you can used food stamps at fast food and restaurants is because they technically sell the food to you uncooked then cook it for you for free. It's a stupid restriction everyone knows it is but we still do the whole dance and pony show.
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It's not just hot/ prepared foods. Had a relative who worked in a grocery store and there is like a whole list of what you're allowed and not allowed to buy. Maybe people who know more can fill in the details, all I remember is that you had to buy 2% milk or skim; no whole milk for poor kids. ridiculous.
That's not SNAP--SNAP let's you buy whatever food you want, as long as it's not hot/prepared.
You're thinking of of WIC (Women, Infant, Children), which provides food for mothers with young children. These are restricted for a couple of reasons, such as the foods being aimed at infant and child health and, iirc, the approved foods being less expensive and thus having the program's funds go further.
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I buy a Costco chicken then make (healthy) soup with the bones.
The value for price on that thing is incredible.
I make a bone broth for my dogs to mix in their food. They love it.
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And it should be noted that even that hot food rule isn't even followed outside of grocers. The reason you can used food stamps at fast food and restaurants is because they technically sell the food to you uncooked then cook it for you for free. It's a stupid restriction everyone knows it is but we still do the whole dance and pony show.
I see the “EBT accepted” signs/flags at a lot of fast food places here but I had assumed it was the same as the hot food rule for grocery stores! ie, homeless only. So dumb, but I’ve had people here on the fediverse insist to me that the poors should get the bare minimum subsistence through food stamps and nothing else.
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We could also stop moralizing poverty and just allow people to buy whatever food they want. But this would be a good step forward.
This is more efficient and cost effective anyway. It's bonkers we don't let people select their own food.
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So fucking stupid our laws
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Also causes a lot of confusion for more niche products. For example, my local store has glass bottles of milk where you can return the bottles to get some money back, but EBT doesn't cover the cost of the bottle, even though the milk itself is cheaper than the other milk options when you factor in the value from returning the bottle.
Everyone on EBT either needs extra cash to pay the bottle deposit, or they spend more money on milk.
I've been on SNAP and have never had to pay for the bottles.
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I see the “EBT accepted” signs/flags at a lot of fast food places here but I had assumed it was the same as the hot food rule for grocery stores! ie, homeless only. So dumb, but I’ve had people here on the fediverse insist to me that the poors should get the bare minimum subsistence through food stamps and nothing else.
Honestly the whole no hot food thing just comes across as Reaganite drivel to me. Historically most food charity things only gave out hot or cooked food since it was easier and cheaper to just do a bulk of pasta, donuts, or bread since then you could make it with demand and not have to break it up according to how many people may or may not come in. Sure there's some worry about cost but just give the businesses a tax incentive or something to have lower EBT prices.
IDK this whole thing about hot vs cold food just comes across as arbitrary and stupid. I get alcohol and maybe food over a certain price depending on different factors but as a whole the restrictions seem stupid.
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Why not just give them money they can use for drugs instead?
Because just giving them money, no strings attached, is proven to be more effective AND more efficient in both money and manpower. Every single time it's studied.
The argument 'But what if someone abuses it?' always falls flat when countered by 'What if people are unjustly denied support they need because of the restrictions?' Because the first will always happen, no matter what, and the second only happens if you deny support. One person 'unfairly' wasting money on meth would be a more than fair price to pay for one more person getting what they need to survive, and if you believe otherwise... I don't know what to tell you. Maybe go grow some human empathy.
Besides, tax money is wasted WAY more by the rich than by the poor.
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Why not just give them money they can use for drugs instead?
no, wait, you're onto something
we could do that, and call it a first world level of healthcare or something, and ensure that everybody has access to the care that they need to live a good life
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ah, yes, the rule of "you can't buy 2lb of tasty cooked protein for $7 but you can buy 2lb of uncooked tasteless meat for $7.99/lb"
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ah, yes, the rule of "you can't buy 2lb of tasty cooked protein for $7 but you can buy 2lb of uncooked tasteless meat for $7.99/lb"
Plus, with a slow cooker, instant pot, or just a stove, you can make delicious broth from the leftovers and upgrade your next couple meals.
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This is going to sound gross, but you can make a gravy out of the liquid at the bottom of the rotisserie chicken bag and a 1/4cuo of flour.
Not as good as the drippings from cooking a raw chicken, which is why I throw it in my soup pot, but still acceptable.
Also Costco sells frozen Demi-baguettes, you can heat them in 8 minutes plus oven preheat time. They taste great. I throw a ramekin with water in the oven with them so they slightly steam and get crunchy crusts.
No that stuff at the bottom is pretty good, normally after the breasts and limbs are gone I pull apart the whole thing and mix it with a bit of milk and cheese to make patties for sandwiches
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I've been on SNAP and have never had to pay for the bottles.
For returnable ones?
Legally speaking, that store could get in big trouble. That's why my local store doesn't do it. That'd be equivalent to them letting you exchange your SNAP benefits for cash, since the bottle could be redeemed for money/credit.
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ah, yes, the rule of "you can't buy 2lb of tasty cooked protein for $7 but you can buy 2lb of uncooked tasteless meat for $7.99/lb"
Basically. We have a few grocery stores that have restaurants and put their left over food in a cooler to buy when they close (8pm). You can't use snap until they relabel it and stick it in the cooler thing. Same food but because it isn't handed to you it's snap approved.
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Plus, with a slow cooker, instant pot, or just a stove, you can make delicious broth from the leftovers and upgrade your next couple meals.
When I roast my own chicken or turkey, I've already invested so much time into cooking and cleaning up that often I can't give it more time to turn it into stock (id throw it in the freezer for another time if I had the freezer space.) If I buy rotisserie, I almost feel guilty if I don't make more use lol. Plus my grocery store has an "almost free because it's starting to rot" produce shelf. Pennies will get you all the veg for soup.
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