Fuck
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Dealing with almost every stupid American who has been indoctrinated from birth and thinks that action movies are documentaries...
We could all be Bruce Willis in die hard at any moment
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It's fucking wild the amount of right wingers I run into that worship this dude. Like dude, you know he is left AF right?
The actor?
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My best friend recently told me :
"Did you see the image of the original moon landing ? It looks so so fake"
I was shocked. An engineer with supposedly a scientific background was starting to take on conspiracy theories.
I just said that the moon landing was not fake and that it would have been impossible to fake something on this scale and that there was plenty of documentation about the Apollo mission online.
But I feel sad because it's obvious his social network interactions online are pushing him toward very toxic content.
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Oh weird I didn't know that was a thing.
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When I was quite a bit younger I used to argue against young Earth creationists online. Eventually I came to mostly the same conclusion: there's just so much wrong with everything they believe, there's nowhere to even begin taking it all apart. No amount of reason will cut through their faith.
It annoys me that Dawkins spent so much time arguing with them.
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Every person in alanon meetings coming to the same realization about the alcoholic
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I am (well, probably now 'was'. Birthdays suck) a young ex-church goer. I am young enough to bounce back and re-learn how the world works.
My mom is 56. She can't bounce back and learn a whole new world.
She can't bounce back and learn a whole new world.
You can open her eyes. Take her, wonder by wonder.
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It's fucking wild the amount of right wingers I run into that worship this dude. Like dude, you know he is left AF right?
It's like they see him on Peaky Binders and think he's like that IRL or something. Reminds me of when right winners realized RAtM were "political" and got all butthurt about it lol
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The best thing you can do in these situations is to ask a critically reflective question for them to sit with. You can and never have been able to change someone’s mind just like that. What you can is be part of the web of critical thoughts that help them towards thinking critically about their idea.
Yea they’re looking for agreements to help lock in the idea. The algorithms don’t ever have anyone critically questioning them on their little podcasts.
So Be the critical question asker that they forgot to be before buying the idea.
Be Columbo. ‘Oh before I forget Just one last question…’
Loved Peter falk in that show.
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We don't always have the time and some ideas are too complex.
But this is what good teachers are good at. You need to relate to your student before you can teach them anything.
"Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn't know the first thing about either." -Marshall Macluhan.
People are not entertained by "you are wrong I am right." Literally nobody is. There's an art to teaching.
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She can't bounce back and learn a whole new world.
You can open her eyes. Take her, wonder by wonder.
A whole new Moooooom...
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Knowing how to plant the seed is crucial too.
The best way I've found is to just ask questions like you don't understand the topic but are interested in learning more. Their logic is going to have holes, and you want to guide them into stumbling into one.
The hard part is asking probing questions without sounding like you're trying to pull a "gotcha".
So well intentioned sealioning? Still gives me the icky.
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We could all be Bruce Willis in die hard at any moment
That's why I always wear two pair of socks.
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It's fucking wild the amount of right wingers I run into that worship this dude. Like dude, you know he is left AF right?
I heard in a pobcast he's vegetarian, too.
edit: A pobcast isn't a thing. But it should be.
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I, too, look like a haunted victorian orphan when I argue online.
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I heard in a pobcast he's vegetarian, too.
edit: A pobcast isn't a thing. But it should be.
The wins just keep coming for homie.
Sympathetic edit: while I personally love crying, a 45 minute marathon of it seems a bit much.
Edit 2: oh my fucking god the myth, the legend the big ass name responded to me! I didn't even realize it was you. I'll stop gushing, but I feel blessed.
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It's rare to find people who are actually interested in learning anything, most will just parrot something they've heard in passing or rely on gut feeling, and if your fact goes against their made up assumption then they will deny what you say rather than look it up and learn, because being seen to not know something hurts their feelings.
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I’ve tried planting the seed a few times with people who voluntarily wiretap their own house with an Alexa. Each time they’ve picked it up and ran further with it, like “Oh I know! If I mention seat belt covers, suddenly amazon is recommending a bunch of seat belt covers in my home page!” No thoughts at all of doing anything with this conclusion.
I’ve also witnessed planting the seed working in plenty of other scenarios, just thought this particular fumble was common and particularly funny.
The seed they need isn't just that they're being spied on, but that it's personally bad for them when compared to not having the device. Alternatives that may be more expensive, but are safer and within their capacity are also valuable.
This is especially a thing with ring cameras. One thing I do is be very upfront about how despite being a victim of the sort of rare crime that inspires people get them out of fear, I didn't respond by buying one or a gun, I then explain why and what alternative I'm going with instead. The cops showed me clearly why they can't be trusted to use camera footage responsibly on behalf of victims when they were loudly demanding answers about my weed bowl but couldn't be bothered to look at the footprints under the window with a cut screen, instead insisting we'd left the door the invader left through unlocked.
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My best friend recently told me :
"Did you see the image of the original moon landing ? It looks so so fake"
I was shocked. An engineer with supposedly a scientific background was starting to take on conspiracy theories.
I just said that the moon landing was not fake and that it would have been impossible to fake something on this scale and that there was plenty of documentation about the Apollo mission online.
But I feel sad because it's obvious his social network interactions online are pushing him toward very toxic content.
It kinda does look fake especially for then. But it also was unlike anything ever done before using technology basically at science fiction level for the 60s. It looks like fiction because it was so advanced for the time it was borderline science fiction. Still amazing evertime I think about it.
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You know, I appreciate that perspective because I do believe it's important overall if we're ever going to recover as a society, but I'm also concerned that perhaps as a society we're just too far gone. Some people will never get it, and you have to be prepared for that, but I do think it's a good thing to leave that door open for people who eventually come around. If that door isn't open, they'll just go back to their same old echo chambers.
At the same time, be aware that there's a certain combination of narcissism and dunning-kruger which will lead some people to believe you're validating them by listening and asking questions, and they may double down or even go on to be even more confidently outlandish, because someone who seemed smart decided to listen to them and ask them questions, so clearly they must be even more smarter!
Like, you know that technique they teach you in basic interpersonal communication and conflict resolution classes? The one where you're supposed to listen to a person and repeat back what they said before laying out why you disagree with it?
Yeah, that doesn't work when as soon as you finish summarizing their point to them they go "Yeah, exactly, I'm glad you agree," and then change the topic into something even more batshit crazy...
Maybe an important point in all this is you don't have to hide your intentions or even agree. While the idea is to get them to think safely without putting up a defensive perimeter, you can still be genuine about your point of view. How that happens might be circumstantial, but, for example, you can probably always safely say something like, "I'm not saying I agree, but I was curious about your point of view." Of course, every discussion (and how we navigate it) is going to be different.
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