Proton CEO warns global age verification push will mean "the death of anonymity online"

But it's in a new wrapper. Now it says "Good for humanity" on the label, still the same shit tho...

lemmy.ml isn't a unified group. it's individual people who think all sorts of crazy shit, that is often downright contradictory.

the only stance your instance takes is being pro marixist leninist. that has nothing to do with age-verification. if anything it's pro-authoritarian bent would most likely have it align with mechanisms mass state control of individuals .

they're unified when it comes to age verification.

I agree with the notion, but I'm mildly concerned with the fragmentation of solutions. We already have I2P, Yggdrasil Network, Gemini Network, the cjdns ecosystem, just to name a few. You can just run nodes on all of them at once, but that restricts accessibility to those who have the raw compute (and bandwidth) necessary, which isn't exactly conducive to what I'd consider a truly "open" internet, especially in the third world.

I don't have to worry about my OS because it's open source. Yours should be too. They can't actually enforce age verification on an open source OS because my OS can lie, and I can use its source code to make it lie if I have to (which I won't, because many other people will do it for me). For that matter they'll find ways to make Windows lie too, but you still shouldn't be using it, it's shit.

I don't have to worry about my ISP either because I live in a still-civilized country, but yeah, if they really lock it down at that level that's going to be tough, you'll probably have to identify someone for that if that's the next place where they go to. There are countermeasures and workarounds though. VPN, mesh networking, borrowing somebody else's wifi or mobile data hotspot, finding open networks. Maybe we'll get to the point where we need point to point links, pirate satellites, datajacking ourselves into communication lines, who knows.

But we're not there yet. We'll continue to develop more countermeasures as these sorts of hostile police surveillance state measures encroach on our freedom as it becomes necessary. You don't have to let your identity be associated with anything beyond your ISP if you're only using your ISP to get to somewhere you do trust with a VPN. If they block VPNs, then we will find other ways around the blocks. Are you familiar with I2P? If you aren't, maybe you should get familiar with it. We already have plenty of ways of sneaking information into and out of even more totalitarian of states like China, Russia, at least until there's an absolute shutdown like in Iran. You should also consider not living in a totalitarian country, and doing what you can to stop yours from becoming more totalitarian, because it's only going to get harder the longer you let them do this. Give them your ID in exchange for internet access for now if you absolutely have to and can't find any other option, but you might not absolutely have to, yet. And if you do have to, do it with caution: start learning and planning what you're going to have to do after that and how you're going to get very active in your resistance to being monitored and observed.

You sound like you've got a little bit of learned helplessness, but people in shitty, scary countries have been dealing with this for a long, long time. Yes, it sucks, but it's not the end of freedom. You have to learn how to fight it.

lemmy is a client. piefed is the only one i know that lets you block all users from an instance.

They have always been very clear that they will comply with Swiss law, they have never said otherwise. They chose Switzerland to be based out of due to existing legal protections there are better than most countries. And they limit what they hand over to the legal minimum, again something they have been clear about.

This is an easy fix. We just make our own internet. With the usual, blackjack and hookers.

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As far as I'm aware, mesh networks don't have the bandwidth for large data transfers. They can send packets of a thousand or so bytes tops, so even with compression you'd barely be able to send/receive anything.

You might be able to do SSH and run a few commands remotely, but with really high latency.

For a decentralized replacement for the modern internet, you would need major infrastructure like cables and/or cell towers and satellites.

Can you rephrase that? I'm not sure what "you nice it is used well enough" is supposed to mean.

What is being pushed for implementation is better described as identity verification, not age verification.

I would have little issue with a solution that purely gated services on age in a secure and privacy respecting manner. This OS level garbage is not that, its creating an oligarchy run identity gate to control access to personal computing.

Agreed. The eu model is a good start, but the security of it's implementation woefully inadequate... And I agree this MUST use post quantum cryptography.

Dox-gating (yes I just made that up lol) operating systems will result in people not updating security patches.